I keep wondering, just how many C/4 owners do we have here? It's been my dream car since I was sixteen, and about three and a half years ago I finally fulfilled it with 15215 (silver on black/red).
It would be nice to find/create an informal owners-support group for the C/4 here on Tom's site. As I do most ALL of the work on this "Old Gray Mare", every little bit helps!
Les
C/4s?
C/4s yes
I LOVE C/4s
silver / red is a great color combo, too
I have my eye on the one @ executivecarslasvegas
but that one has high miles, wrong exterior
and buying from a place like that can be riske
still
I LOVE it
may trade up to one from the 400i
(if the thing dont bury me)
silver / red is a great color combo, too
I have my eye on the one @ executivecarslasvegas
but that one has high miles, wrong exterior
and buying from a place like that can be riske
still
I LOVE it
may trade up to one from the 400i
(if the thing dont bury me)
typo alert
OOOOOOPS
typo typo typo
(I guess that's why this thang got the preview feature, huh?)
I MEANT that car has incorrect INterior
i.e leather (or shyinyl vinyl)
dash and console trim
instead of ye mouse hide
typo typo typo
(I guess that's why this thang got the preview feature, huh?)
I MEANT that car has incorrect INterior
i.e leather (or shyinyl vinyl)
dash and console trim
instead of ye mouse hide
I have a C4 and know of several others that do as well, although I will let them speak up for them selves.
I also do all my own work and all my own part chasing. I have had
15777 for three and a half years. Bought it from Bruce/John Jung in Emeryville CA.
I have replaced Syncros, Rings, Valves, Guides, re-timed the distributors, matched the headers, changed drive train bearings….. and a lot of electrical “stuff.”
I drive the car to work once a week, to dinner with my wife, to Reno, San Francisco, or when ever I feel like it. I have found that once you set everything up correctly, the C4 is very reliable and goes quite fast (I clocked 0-60 mph in 6. 4 seconds with some wheel spin, and 140 is no trouble – I have not topped it out “yet”)
The car could use paint, the leather is stiff and some of the seams have had to be re-stitched.
Contrary to many – I think the C4 is a beautiful car. For me, it is a rolling hobby and just plain fun.
If there is anything I can help you with – let me know
Aaron
I also do all my own work and all my own part chasing. I have had
15777 for three and a half years. Bought it from Bruce/John Jung in Emeryville CA.
I have replaced Syncros, Rings, Valves, Guides, re-timed the distributors, matched the headers, changed drive train bearings….. and a lot of electrical “stuff.”
I drive the car to work once a week, to dinner with my wife, to Reno, San Francisco, or when ever I feel like it. I have found that once you set everything up correctly, the C4 is very reliable and goes quite fast (I clocked 0-60 mph in 6. 4 seconds with some wheel spin, and 140 is no trouble – I have not topped it out “yet”)
The car could use paint, the leather is stiff and some of the seams have had to be re-stitched.
Contrary to many – I think the C4 is a beautiful car. For me, it is a rolling hobby and just plain fun.
If there is anything I can help you with – let me know
Aaron
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Hello
I have a C4 in the UK number 15989
It is in Tom's owners gallery & I have done all of the restoration apart from the paint & some specialist plating etc.
I am happy to share my experiences if I can be of help.
I just hope I survive to see it back on the road
Regards
Ian Levy
Manchester UK
I have a C4 in the UK number 15989
It is in Tom's owners gallery & I have done all of the restoration apart from the paint & some specialist plating etc.
I am happy to share my experiences if I can be of help.
I just hope I survive to see it back on the road
Regards
Ian Levy
Manchester UK
Body numbers 365GTC/4 and other 70's Ferraris...
As some of you already know, I'm particularly interested in different numbering systems used in Ferrari production. As you have stripped your car completely, this is a nice opprtunity to ask whether you found any interesting stamps on panels, interior parts etc? PF allocated your car (sn 15989) with body #307 - the number to look for...
When making 250GT/330GT PF used to stamp every single piece going into a particular car with the bodynumber but I have no idea whether this procedure survived the Fiat overtake in any form. Have (surfacially) had a good look at a 365GT/4 2+2 and a 400 Aut without finding any numbers in the usual places like trunk floor, inside of panels etc.
AFAIK, 365GTC/4 and 365GT/4 2+2 use same engine with carbs located on sides of engine compartment. Have you checked the engine number; should be very easy to find as it should be located on top of engine block, between heads in the middle of the V.
Best wishes, Kare
When making 250GT/330GT PF used to stamp every single piece going into a particular car with the bodynumber but I have no idea whether this procedure survived the Fiat overtake in any form. Have (surfacially) had a good look at a 365GT/4 2+2 and a 400 Aut without finding any numbers in the usual places like trunk floor, inside of panels etc.
AFAIK, 365GTC/4 and 365GT/4 2+2 use same engine with carbs located on sides of engine compartment. Have you checked the engine number; should be very easy to find as it should be located on top of engine block, between heads in the middle of the V.
Best wishes, Kare
Kare,
You are correct about the engine numbers, there are several located between the heads. One matches the number in the manual for engine type – I will do my best to remember to look when I go home tonight. There is also a number located between two stars * 00????* which I think is the engine number, do you know? –
Besides the name plates attached with pop rivets and the number stamped into the frame on shock mount matching the chassis number, I have not noticed any others.
Aaron
You are correct about the engine numbers, there are several located between the heads. One matches the number in the manual for engine type – I will do my best to remember to look when I go home tonight. There is also a number located between two stars * 00????* which I think is the engine number, do you know? –
Besides the name plates attached with pop rivets and the number stamped into the frame on shock mount matching the chassis number, I have not noticed any others.
Aaron
365GTC/4 Numbers
Yes, *00???* is the engine number. I recently spotted *00606* in 17095 (very early 365 GT/4 2+2), so I assume 365GTC/4 engines have same
type of number lower in series.
Your comment about body numbers supports my suspicion that all the unproductive ceased when Fiat took over. Makes sense, stamping each part of a single car with 3-digit number must take several hours...
Best wishes, Kare
type of number lower in series.
Your comment about body numbers supports my suspicion that all the unproductive ceased when Fiat took over. Makes sense, stamping each part of a single car with 3-digit number must take several hours...
Best wishes, Kare
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Hello Kare
I will look at the numbers you have mentioned & let you now.
My car has number 238 stamped on the inside of the bonnet on the edge near the batterry tray. This number is also written by hand on pieces of masking tape on the inner side of many of the trim panels , door trims etc together with the date in 1972 when it was built.
Regards
Ian Levy
I will look at the numbers you have mentioned & let you now.
My car has number 238 stamped on the inside of the bonnet on the edge near the batterry tray. This number is also written by hand on pieces of masking tape on the inner side of many of the trim panels , door trims etc together with the date in 1972 when it was built.
Regards
Ian Levy
Interesting!
According to Raab's Ferrari Serial Numbers I (2nd ed), #238 is the correct factory assembly sequence number allocaded for this car (15989).
I find it a bit strange to find this number on components... as far as I know the assembly sequence number was introduced in 1960's to keep track of production at Ferrari. I would have expected a coachbuilder to have used the body number instead.
Maybe Raab confused assembly sequence and body numbers with each other, I don't know??! This would also explain why assembly sequence numbers run nicely along chassis numbers but body numbers don't.
As Ferrari sent bare chassis to PF, where the body was built I would expect BODY NUMBERS to run nicely along chassis numbers. As anything could go wrong during or after body construction (damaged during transportation, for instance) before car finally made it back to Ferrari for final assembly, I would expect ASSEMBLY SEQUENCE numbers to vary depending on how long an individual body was delayed at the coachbuilder.
Traditionally PF used body numbers on body parts (how brilliant!) so your findings really point toward #238 maybe being the body number, not assembly sequence number after all... Will try to find out!
Best wishes, Kare
I find it a bit strange to find this number on components... as far as I know the assembly sequence number was introduced in 1960's to keep track of production at Ferrari. I would have expected a coachbuilder to have used the body number instead.
Maybe Raab confused assembly sequence and body numbers with each other, I don't know??! This would also explain why assembly sequence numbers run nicely along chassis numbers but body numbers don't.
As Ferrari sent bare chassis to PF, where the body was built I would expect BODY NUMBERS to run nicely along chassis numbers. As anything could go wrong during or after body construction (damaged during transportation, for instance) before car finally made it back to Ferrari for final assembly, I would expect ASSEMBLY SEQUENCE numbers to vary depending on how long an individual body was delayed at the coachbuilder.
Traditionally PF used body numbers on body parts (how brilliant!) so your findings really point toward #238 maybe being the body number, not assembly sequence number after all... Will try to find out!
Best wishes, Kare
Kare, Ian,
I took quick look into my engine compartment of 15777 and found the following -
Top of the engine stamped into the block between the heads.
FERRARI
F101AC000
*00464*
I found also the numbers 461 stamped into the aluminum on the left under side edge of the hood. I would suppose that this number corresponds to the numbers Ian found on his C4. I have not found any masking tape numbers “yet”, but I have not taken the body of the car apart as Ian has done.
I know very little history of my car prior to 1990 – there is some rumor about a big farm owner, but very little else. At some point a less than loving person rode in the car. There is a cigarette burn in the carpet between the door and the seat on the passenger side
Interesting stuff
Aaron
I took quick look into my engine compartment of 15777 and found the following -
Top of the engine stamped into the block between the heads.
FERRARI
F101AC000
*00464*
I found also the numbers 461 stamped into the aluminum on the left under side edge of the hood. I would suppose that this number corresponds to the numbers Ian found on his C4. I have not found any masking tape numbers “yet”, but I have not taken the body of the car apart as Ian has done.
I know very little history of my car prior to 1990 – there is some rumor about a big farm owner, but very little else. At some point a less than loving person rode in the car. There is a cigarette burn in the carpet between the door and the seat on the passenger side
Interesting stuff
Aaron
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Hello Kare/Aaron
The number on thhe block was staring at me for almost 2 years when the engine was out of the car. Now I have to climb all over it to read it
F101AC000
*00248*
Is it strange that Aaron's 15777 has a higher?later number than my 15989?
I always thought that the engine number as shown on my registration papers was F101AC00015989.
May be the reason why I can't get a Heritage Certificate from Ferrari
Regards
Ian L
The number on thhe block was staring at me for almost 2 years when the engine was out of the car. Now I have to climb all over it to read it
F101AC000
*00248*
Is it strange that Aaron's 15777 has a higher?later number than my 15989?
I always thought that the engine number as shown on my registration papers was F101AC00015989.
May be the reason why I can't get a Heritage Certificate from Ferrari
Regards
Ian L
Ian,
In my manual it states the 15777 engine number is supposed to be located under the headers on a “flat” towards the front of the engine. Maybe Kare knows if it is because of different engines, or different numbering conventions. In order for me to see the spot where the “car matching” number is supposed to be, I will need to remove an air cleaner box and a heat shield.
Aaron
In my manual it states the 15777 engine number is supposed to be located under the headers on a “flat” towards the front of the engine. Maybe Kare knows if it is because of different engines, or different numbering conventions. In order for me to see the spot where the “car matching” number is supposed to be, I will need to remove an air cleaner box and a heat shield.
Aaron
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Aaron
Check out the Ferrari Owners site at www.ferrari.owners.com under Vintage subheading
Italian is Certificato di identificazione but will the come up as Heritage Certificate
You can try for the site in English but mine appears in Italian & then switches language both ways.
I will look for the number on the block as you suggest
Regards
Ian L
Check out the Ferrari Owners site at www.ferrari.owners.com under Vintage subheading
Italian is Certificato di identificazione but will the come up as Heritage Certificate
You can try for the site in English but mine appears in Italian & then switches language both ways.
I will look for the number on the block as you suggest
Regards
Ian L