An intro to say hi.

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An intro to say hi.

Postby Scott uk » Mon Sep 12, 2016 6:10 am

This is just a brief introduction to say hello, after trawling this site on many occasions I thought it only right to join you all.
I am a restorer from England, looking after a private collection of classic Ferraris.
I hope to share some of my many trials and tribulations I encounter.
I am sure that along the way many of you many be able to help me and vise versa.
Non of us know everything but as a group we all know something and together we can make our journey a lot
More pleasant.
I am new to forums so please excuse any mistakes I make on here.
Thank Scott smith
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Re: An intro to say hi.

Postby simonc » Mon Sep 12, 2016 11:08 am

Hi Scott,

And a warm welcome from a fellow Brit.

Simon
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Re: An intro to say hi.

Postby John Vardanian » Tue Sep 13, 2016 12:24 am

Welcome to the site Scott; looking forward to exchanging miseries.

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Re: An intro to say hi.

Postby tyang » Wed Sep 14, 2016 7:25 am

Hi Scott,

Welcome aboard!

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Re: An intro to say hi.

Postby tyang » Wed Sep 14, 2016 7:27 am

John Vardanian wrote:Welcome to the site Scott; looking forward to exchanging miseries.

john


Oh stop it John, you know you love every minute of tinkering on those old Ferraris!

Tom
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Re: An intro to say hi.

Postby Steve Meltzer » Wed Sep 14, 2016 11:32 am

Scott, Welcome from across the pond! I rarely have anything to contribute, but no one asks more questions! steve
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Re: An intro to say hi.

Postby John Vardanian » Thu Sep 15, 2016 12:25 am

tyang wrote:
John Vardanian wrote:Welcome to the site Scott; looking forward to exchanging miseries.

john


Oh stop it John, you know you love every minute of tinkering on those old Ferraris!

Tom


Yup, if it wasn't for masochism this site wouldn't exist.

john
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Re: An intro to say hi.

Postby Terry Gardiner » Tue Nov 08, 2016 4:40 am

It's not like the USA but UK is still quite an area. Can you give us a better idea whereabouts you're located?

The information exchanged through this site is practical and useful, and there's a lot of it. Hope you enjoy it.
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Re: An intro to say hi.

Postby Scott uk » Tue Nov 15, 2016 9:15 am

Hi terry I am based in the Midlands in Loughborough. I am at present restoring a 330gt and replacing the head gaskets on a 330gtc amongst everything else.
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Re: An intro to say hi.

Postby Steve Meltzer » Tue Nov 15, 2016 11:59 am

what head gaskets are you using on the GTC? some of the vendors seem to only have the ones with a reputation for coolant leaks. thanx steve
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meltzer, "“With a Ferrari, whatever it is, it’s a $1000. If that’s what it is.”"
'66 330 GTC, '72 Daytona-red, did they make any other colors?

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Re: An intro to say hi.

Postby Scott uk » Tue Nov 15, 2016 8:18 pm

Hi Steve, first off I made the big mistake of using Elring gaskets thinking that using a genuine gasket would be the right move but after refitting the engine and filling with water I found I had the dreaded leaks. So I did a bit of research and with the help from tom I am now using a gasket supplied by Geoffrey ohland at parts source also I use a copper gasket dressing. I am now on my forth engine using these and have not had any issues.
The big problem with Elring is the modern materials they are made from will not compress enough on the protruding liners.
If the block face has been skimmed I would safely guess that the Elring would be fine.
Hope this helps on sorting your leaks.
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348 gtc

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Re: An intro to say hi.

Postby Steve Meltzer » Wed Nov 16, 2016 8:54 am

thanx so much, Scott. Much appreciated. steve
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'66 330 GTC, '72 Daytona-red, did they make any other colors?

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Re: An intro to say hi.

Postby tyang » Wed Nov 16, 2016 9:48 am

Scott uk wrote:Hi Steve, first off I made the big mistake of using Elring gaskets thinking that using a genuine gasket would be the right move but after refitting the engine and filling with water I found I had the dreaded leaks. So I did a bit of research and with the help from tom I am now using a gasket supplied by Geoffrey ohland at parts source also I use a copper gasket dressing. I am now on my forth engine using these and have not had any issues.
The big problem with Elring is the modern materials they are made from will not compress enough on the protruding liners.
If the block face has been skimmed I would safely guess that the Elring would be fine.
Hope this helps on sorting your leaks.


There are two camps for skimming the blocks on Ferrari engines. Stock Ferrari engines have their steel liners protruding 2-3 thousandths of an inch above the deck height of the aluminum block, and one camp continues to do this. A second camp, machines the deck height flat like a normal engine. The problem is as Scott says, elrings will leak when using stock specs. There was a reason for this protrusion, and the best explanation I've heard is the aluminum block expands at a different rate than the steel liner, so as things heat up, and the aluminum "grows" the deck height will change more than the steel liners will expand. The 2-3 thousandths difference in height compensates for this, but the gasket has to as well. Whatever the reason, the gaskets make a big difference, and there are several to choose from. Some of them work, some of them don't, but make sure whatever combination of parts you have, make sure you have the right parts!

Sorry to hijacking the thread.

Tom
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Re: An intro to say hi.

Postby Steve Meltzer » Wed Nov 16, 2016 12:54 pm

Tom, so you are saying that if the block is "skimmed or decked" flat, the Elrings are OK? But if the block retains it's factory configuration (liners .002-.003" proud to the block's deck) the Elrings will leak? Just want to clarify. thanx. steve
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'66 330 GTC, '72 Daytona-red, did they make any other colors?

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Re: An intro to say hi.

Postby tyang » Wed Nov 16, 2016 2:34 pm

Steve Meltzer wrote:Tom, so you are saying that if the block is "skimmed or decked" flat, the Elrings are OK? But if the block retains it's factory configuration (liners .002-.003" proud to the block's deck) the Elrings will leak? Just want to clarify. thanx. steve


All of our rebuilds have the stock protrusion, so I can't say what the Elrings will work on.

Tom
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