there have been some earlier posts regarding the multi-function
column stalk switch on 330GT cars. i am not familiar with the series 1
cars, but i believe that these are 2 stalk switches and the series 2 cars
have 3 stalks like the GTC. Ferrari UK, which has authority to reproduce
vintage parts has remade the early style 2 stalk switch and sells
them for around $500.US. (i think this style is also used on the 275 cars)
like many of you who have complained about this problem before, one
of my stalks broke off at the base inside the column. i have taken the
switch out and everything else is fine.
Ferrari UK doesn't seem to have any plans to remake the 3 stalk switch.
maybe one of you guys in the UK could go to them and see if they could
have their supplier of the switches make a batch of stalks. it seems like
alot of us have this problem and new stalks(arms) would solve the whole
problem. the molds are already in existance, so it doesn't seem like a
big deal...does anybody out there have some influence with Ferrari UK??
Turn signal/headlamp/wiper column switch
no i have not seen it, but i am sure that it is absolutely
correct; not sure about the return policy since it is
electrical...
the part number is 400110: 297. pounds or about
$525. US
if you get one, i'd really like to know if the plastic base
for the 2 stalks is the same for the same 2 stalks on the
later cars.
correct; not sure about the return policy since it is
electrical...
the part number is 400110: 297. pounds or about
$525. US
if you get one, i'd really like to know if the plastic base
for the 2 stalks is the same for the same 2 stalks on the
later cars.
Leo,
I have broken versions of both. I haven't actually seen them in two years (they are sitting at the machine shop waiting for my friend to have free time to program the CAD/CAM). If my memory serves me correctly, the bases for the two left stalks are the same in the two stalk as in three stalk applications.
Next time I see the machinist, I'll try to remember to take a look.
Art S.
I have broken versions of both. I haven't actually seen them in two years (they are sitting at the machine shop waiting for my friend to have free time to program the CAD/CAM). If my memory serves me correctly, the bases for the two left stalks are the same in the two stalk as in three stalk applications.
Next time I see the machinist, I'll try to remember to take a look.
Art S.
1965 330 2+2 series 2 7919
art,
if you are correct, then i can't see any reason why
we couldn't get the supplier to make up a batch of
those stalks
i will try to find out how many of the complete switches
they have sold. i'll bet not many.
i think more people would buy the stalks than the complete
switch.
who out there in the UK has some pull with Ferrari UK.
this is one of those situations that takes some time and
dilengence, but i think it can be done.
Ferrari UK just needs to know that they can turn a profit!
if you are correct, then i can't see any reason why
we couldn't get the supplier to make up a batch of
those stalks
i will try to find out how many of the complete switches
they have sold. i'll bet not many.
i think more people would buy the stalks than the complete
switch.
who out there in the UK has some pull with Ferrari UK.
this is one of those situations that takes some time and
dilengence, but i think it can be done.
Ferrari UK just needs to know that they can turn a profit!
Leo,
The stalk bases are the pieces I have been bothering my machinist friend to make for 2 years now. The idea is to machine them out of Delran, which is far stronger than the original cast pieces. As only a little bit of the bases show, I'm pretty sure that they will pass muster with concourse judges.
I haven't bothered him about it for a while, its time for another push. I will keep you posted.
Regards,
Art S.
The stalk bases are the pieces I have been bothering my machinist friend to make for 2 years now. The idea is to machine them out of Delran, which is far stronger than the original cast pieces. As only a little bit of the bases show, I'm pretty sure that they will pass muster with concourse judges.
I haven't bothered him about it for a while, its time for another push. I will keep you posted.
Regards,
Art S.
1965 330 2+2 series 2 7919
I checked in with my machinist. He says he has time! The project is in the queue and the machines should be programmed in 2 weeks, which means parts may be ready in about a month. Nobody hold their breath as a priority job may knock this out but it’s the best news I've heard from the machinist in a while.
By the way, I'll press my luck and try to have all three stalk bases done.
Regards,
Art S.
By the way, I'll press my luck and try to have all three stalk bases done.
Regards,
Art S.
1965 330 2+2 series 2 7919
Art,
you are having your machinist make up the bases, but how will they
attach. a press fit of some sort and some epoxy??
on another note. i had a long conversation with someone at Ferrari UK,
and they told me that they RARELY sell the switch assemblies. i explained that they might be able to sell alot more of the stalks and they were very
open to researching this idea. I would assume that the stalks would be
fractional of the $525.00 for the switch, since most of the cost must be in the plastic ring, contacts and the wiring. If this works out, the entire stalk would be available!!
how many out there would be buyers????
you are having your machinist make up the bases, but how will they
attach. a press fit of some sort and some epoxy??
on another note. i had a long conversation with someone at Ferrari UK,
and they told me that they RARELY sell the switch assemblies. i explained that they might be able to sell alot more of the stalks and they were very
open to researching this idea. I would assume that the stalks would be
fractional of the $525.00 for the switch, since most of the cost must be in the plastic ring, contacts and the wiring. If this works out, the entire stalk would be available!!
how many out there would be buyers????
Leo,
I believe the stalks fit into the bases quite tightly but it would probobly be wise to add a little glue for extra security. This point is moot until I have samples in hand.
Bear in mind, if $525 gets you a high quality totally newly manufacured assembly, its not a bad price considering the assemby's complexity and the limited production volume. If the $525 is for new stalks on old cores, its not that great.
Art S.
I believe the stalks fit into the bases quite tightly but it would probobly be wise to add a little glue for extra security. This point is moot until I have samples in hand.
Bear in mind, if $525 gets you a high quality totally newly manufacured assembly, its not a bad price considering the assemby's complexity and the limited production volume. If the $525 is for new stalks on old cores, its not that great.
Art S.
1965 330 2+2 series 2 7919
Leo,
Your desired price is unlikely because of tooling costs. The molded pieces are the arm tips, arm bases and the main body. Each piece requires its own mold design (each base has a slightly different design) and fabrication which is expensive and this cost needs to be recovered in addition to the manufacturing, materials and profit to establish unit price. Unfortunately, not very many people need these assemblies which means unit cost will be high. Also note that the majority of the tooling costs go into the arms (tips and bases).
Since the pieces that break are the arm bases, I'm trying to have these CNC machined (lower prep cost, higher manufacturing cost - hopefully lower total cost for small quantity) out of Delran (much tougher material - less likely to break in the future).
If you can get complete arms or even good quality arm bases for $50 each please let me know. It will save me a lot of effort.
Regards,
Art S.
Your desired price is unlikely because of tooling costs. The molded pieces are the arm tips, arm bases and the main body. Each piece requires its own mold design (each base has a slightly different design) and fabrication which is expensive and this cost needs to be recovered in addition to the manufacturing, materials and profit to establish unit price. Unfortunately, not very many people need these assemblies which means unit cost will be high. Also note that the majority of the tooling costs go into the arms (tips and bases).
Since the pieces that break are the arm bases, I'm trying to have these CNC machined (lower prep cost, higher manufacturing cost - hopefully lower total cost for small quantity) out of Delran (much tougher material - less likely to break in the future).
If you can get complete arms or even good quality arm bases for $50 each please let me know. It will save me a lot of effort.
Regards,
Art S.
1965 330 2+2 series 2 7919
art,
right now i'm just dreaming. my thought is that the company that is
making the complete repro switch, already has all the tooling and molds
for the 2 left side stalks. the hard part is over, i think. all they need to
do is make the arms!!!
again, this is pure speculation. i am suppose to follow up next, but by
the time the manufacture gets the info and such, this could take a few
months.
don't abandon your project based on this!!!! please!!!
right now i'm just dreaming. my thought is that the company that is
making the complete repro switch, already has all the tooling and molds
for the 2 left side stalks. the hard part is over, i think. all they need to
do is make the arms!!!
again, this is pure speculation. i am suppose to follow up next, but by
the time the manufacture gets the info and such, this could take a few
months.
don't abandon your project based on this!!!! please!!!
Leo,
I understand they already have tooling. My suspission is that they will want more than you think for the arms in order to recoup some of their sunk cost in the project. Remember, for each set of arms they sell, one less assembly will be sold.
As my project is being done with people's spare time and its completion date is uncertain my project is not yet a reliable source. I am just asking to be informed if I am wrong and a supply of good cheap indicator arms turns up.
Art S.
I understand they already have tooling. My suspission is that they will want more than you think for the arms in order to recoup some of their sunk cost in the project. Remember, for each set of arms they sell, one less assembly will be sold.
As my project is being done with people's spare time and its completion date is uncertain my project is not yet a reliable source. I am just asking to be informed if I am wrong and a supply of good cheap indicator arms turns up.
Art S.
1965 330 2+2 series 2 7919