PF number help

Post by **tyang** » Tue Jun 22, 2004 9:55 am

Hi Guys,

I need some help from the telaio guys! I found a trim piece from another car with either a PF number "447" or "477." I'm going to put it on my car, but I'm just curious which GTE it came from. Any ideas?

Tom

kare · Post by **kare** » Tue Jun 22, 2004 12:04 pm

I've been holding my breath for two years or so waiting someone would ask a numbers question!

GT/E body numbering system in a nut shell:

First numbers 39701-40000 were used between chassis numbers 1895GT-3079GT. Running out of numbers, PF used numbers 34002 and 34003 for 3081GT and 3083GT thus finishing Series 1.

They then used number 68001-68650 for Series 2-3 (3103GT-4961GT)and carried on using numbers 68651-68700 for 330 Americas and 68701 onwards for 330 GT 2+2.

And then some answers:
#447 should have appeared on 4257GT.
#477 should have appeared on 4495GT.

I think we have a bingo with 4257GT; parted out by Joe Nitti in 1987 and since 1988 known as a TR replica.

Best wishes, Kare

Post by **tyang** » Tue Jun 22, 2004 1:27 pm

Hi Kare,

Thanks a bunch! Although I don't have the dedication you have to collect and collate Telaio, I love to find parts to cars that are long gone! I'm currently writing a journal entry about what I found at Jerry Curtis' shop, but there are several chassis laying around his property. If I can get the permission, I will try to collect these numbers so we can know where these serial numbers ended up!

Tom

Tom Wilson · Post by **Tom Wilson** » Tue Jun 22, 2004 3:14 pm

Hang on a second Kare, I have Ferrari SN 4247 and Pininfarina # 472 (though it is possible that it is 412, as the 7 looks kind of strange). Could you have switched the two numbers you printed? If 4257 had body # 477, that would jibe with mine.

Also, does anybody know if Pininfarina gives out build sheets like Ferrari?

kare · Post by **kare** » Tue Jun 22, 2004 4:08 pm

Yes, the "1" used by Pininfarina looks a lot like "7". I recently examined 4603GT and recorded body number as "574" only later to find out that it actually should be "514". Likewise the correct number for you car is "412".

Best wishes, Kare

Rudy van Daalen Wetters · Wed Jun 23, 2004 4:21 pm

Kare,

My car is s/n 4001. I understand that s/n 3999 was one of two Italian Police cars used and that s/n 4003 was converted to a GTO? Does that jive with your records?

Regards,

Rudy van Daalen Wetters
1963 GTE s/n 4001

Yale · Post by **Yale** » Wed Jun 23, 2004 5:08 pm

Hey Rudy,

Are you the one selling two Lancia's? Yale

Enzo250GTO · Post by **Enzo250GTO** » Wed Jun 23, 2004 8:12 pm

Tom Wilson wrote:Also, does anybody know if Pininfarina gives out build sheets like Ferrari?

Tom,

Did you ever find this answer?

Kare,

Does PF still use the same numbering system for modern cars as the vintage cars? How can I learn more about their indexing/numbering system.

Regards,
Andrew

Rudy van Daalen Wetters · Wed Jun 23, 2004 8:50 pm

Yale,

Yes, unfortunately after 40 years in the family, the Lancia Appias are going. I inherited them from my Father 4 years ago. I have spent countless hours enjoying the cars but my time is so limited that I had to make a choice on what to focus on. Fortunately, a buyer from Newport Beach has just purchased them and will provide a good home for them.
My first priority was that an enthusiast aquire them and use them on a regular basis. Lancias are such quality automobiles.

Rudy van Daalen Wetters
1963 GTE s/n 4001

kare · Post by **kare** » Thu Jun 24, 2004 6:46 am

Rudy, Yes: 3999GT was a police car and 4003GT is a GTO replica. I also agree about Lancia; I fancy a hot Fulvia myself... (plus a few others...)

I don't know much about Pininfarina's system from 1970 onwards - or to be more precise: I know absolutely nothing of it.

Best wishes, Kare

JonBrent · Post by **JonBrent** » Tue Jun 29, 2004 7:33 pm

Cool. Ok Kare, here's another conundrum part to identify. I have a front bumper (from Tom S) but it wasn't correct for my 330 - not rounded enough.

Looking at pictures, it may be off a PF coupe, or off a California Spyder, and has two series of numbers stamped each upside down to each other:

12 685 65 and 5 951 63

Any ideas?

Jon

kare · Post by **kare** » Fri Jul 02, 2004 8:38 am

No idea, 12685 might be part number and 65 the year - or then not... Is it a straight bumper, not notched in the middle like the one used in 275 GTS?

Best wishes, Kare

JonBrent · Post by **JonBrent** » Sat Jul 10, 2004 1:20 am

Hi Kare,

Its notched on top like those used on the PF Coupe and 275 GTS, with the bumperette mounting holes further out as they seem to be for the 275. Its history is a mystery, other than it came from Tom Shaugnessy.

Cheers,
Jonathon