Modified ? 365 GT 2+2

Boxer42 · Post by **Boxer42** » Mon Oct 04, 2004 2:27 am

There is a 365 GT 2+2 for sale at http://www.beverlyhillsclassiccars.com/ and further information can be found at http://www.dupontregistry.com/search/sr ... essionkey=. The SN is 11061. It looks like the front end has been modified with the bumper removed and driving lights added. Could this be original :shock: ? I know that a couple of 275 GTB's were produced without front bumpers ?

fest · Post by **fest** » Mon Oct 04, 2004 10:35 pm

my guess is that it was 'nosed'
(i.e. crashed)
and the new nose added at that point
(along with that 'resale red' paint)

if it was really a 'speciale' one-off
then the ad (and price) would reflect this
it would seem that at this point
all of the unique cars have been identifed
(and accounted for)
long ago

but maybe, just maybe, you are on to something?
is this going to be 'one that got away'?

Boxer42 · Post by **Boxer42** » Tue Oct 05, 2004 3:25 am

Absolutely, I am not going to touch it. The old rule number one, if you have questions and there are no answers walk away quickly. This would seem to apply perfectly to this case.

donv · Post by **donv** » Tue Oct 05, 2004 7:01 pm

The tail lights are also non-standard for a 365 2+2 (there should be a chrome backplate). Curious... seems like it could have been a factory or period customization, or perhaps it was done when the car was restored?

jcwconsult · Post by **jcwconsult** » Tue Oct 05, 2004 8:15 pm

I agree with many of the cautions mentioned here. Nonetheless, I have sent to them for more information -- as I am still looking for a decent 365 to drive. I'd love the $82,000 one at Autosport Designs, but cannot afford it. I need to find a car in the $50,000-$low60,000 range.
Questions for anyone who cares to answer.
1. If the bodywork was original, a factory speciale, how should that affect the value? Up? Down? No difference?
2. If done later for the owner's preference, but not a major accident, how should that affect the value?
3. The Dupont Registry link won't work for me, is there another way to access that information -or is a short summary of what was there possible?
4. Does anyone have more information from other sources about this particular car?
Thanks in advance for any thoughts.

Pete · Post by **Pete** » Wed Oct 06, 2004 2:05 am

Man that is one hot looking 365GT 2+2 ... really racy looking. If the history pans out acceptable I'd be buying it ... if I was in the market.

Pete

Boxer42 · Post by **Boxer42** » Wed Oct 06, 2004 2:17 am

jcwconsult wrote:I agree with many of the cautions mentioned here. Nonetheless, I have sent to them for more information -- as I am still looking for a decent 365 to drive. I'd love the $82,000 one at Autosport Designs, but cannot afford it. I need to find a car in the $50,000-$low60,000 range.
Questions for anyone who cares to answer.
1. If the bodywork was original, a factory speciale, how should that affect the value? Up? Down? No difference?
2. If done later for the owner's preference, but not a major accident, how should that affect the value?
3. The Dupont Registry link won't work for me, is there another way to access that information -or is a short summary of what was there possible?
4. Does anyone have more information from other sources about this particular car?
Thanks in advance for any thoughts.

Have you tried the Beverly Hill Classic Car Sste directly ? Also you might check with FML to see if they have any historic data on the car.

jcwconsult · Post by **jcwconsult** » Wed Oct 06, 2004 10:56 pm

11061 (currently offered by Beverly Hills Classic Cars)

Identified as 365 GT 2+2. Destinazione Motor Roma, Italy. Assembly sequence no. 8, body no. 10/A. (H. Raab's FSN Part I, 2nd Ed.).

Offered 1974 David Stadsklev, Tucson, AZ. 37,000 miles (FCA Jun 1974).

Offered 1988 Walnut Creek Ferrari, Walnut Creek, CA. Red with tan interior. New paint, upholstery, exhaust, clutch, brakes, transmission, etc.

Listed 1980-1993 FOCUSA Rosters by Sam Ladki, La Jolla, CA.

Offered 1994 Symbolic Motor Car Co., La Jolla, CA. Red with tan interior. Special front-end bodywork--long nose, covered headlights, built-in driving lights. 29,000 miles. $130,000 spent on restoration. (FML 1910).

Entered Jun 1995 Rosso Rodeo by Sam Ladki.

Offered 1996 by Symbolic Motor Car Co., La Jolla, CA. Red with tan interior. Over $130,000 spent on complete restoration. (FML 2114).

As of 10/5/04 - Beverly Hills said:
" Have a deposit on it-will let you know in the morning if sold. It is a great running car but I know nothing about its prior history, which is why it is so reasonably priced."

On 10/6/04 they said it had been sold.

xs10shl · Post by **xs10shl** » Thu Oct 07, 2004 1:53 am

Actually, I respectfully disagree with the cautions mentioned. I think this redesign adds a freshness and agressiveness that the stock 365 lacks. These are similar mods that I was thinking of doing to my 365 2+2, even though it has not been whacked. I think the car looks better w/o the heavy front bumpers, and the stock rear lights are the product of brain-dead design. (IMHO). And lets face it - you'll never be invited to, or win a major concours, with a 365 2+2 (unless you're willing to spend $150K restoring it), so I say "just have fun with it!" :wink:

IMHO, this particular customization is really not reason enough to stay away from this $45,000 Ferrari 365 2+2, unless you don't like the design, or are worried about reselling it quickly. Now, if it had a tired engine - that would be a darned good reason to stay away.

Just my .02.

Post by **tyang** » Thu Oct 07, 2004 9:52 am

I kind of like the way it looks too. Bumpers always seem to break up the lines of any car in front, Lussos being the exceptions, but those don't really protect you from anything!

If you're not concerned with resale, this could be nice car, provided everything else checks out. The supply of affordable Vintage V-12 cars is getting tighter!

Tom

Art S. · Post by **Art S.** » Thu Oct 07, 2004 10:16 am

If someone on the board got it, congratulations. Assuming the '94 restoration info is true, it's a lot of car for the money.

Art S.

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